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Sean Penn & Alexander Supertramp

Posted by bmac on December 4, 2007

Yesterday I was flicking through channels on TV, and came across an episode of “Iconoclasts” on the Sundance channel, featuring Sean Penn and John Krakauer. Normally I would move on, but I thought I’d see what lunacy Penn had to spew for possible blog fodder, and the Krakauer guy (an adventurer and writer)  seemed kind of interesting. These two were brought together by the subject of a book written by Krakauer, and now a film by Penn, Chris McCandless, AKA “Alexander Supertramp.”

The story of McCandless is a faint blip on my radar, as he died in 1992 on an ill-fated journey into the Alaskan wilderness, and I had forgotten completely about it, till I saw this show, and found myself fascinated by this kid’s story. The short version:

McCandless, from a wealthy family, graduated college, cut up his credit cards, burned his social security card, donated his savings of 24,000 dollars to charity, cut ties with his family, and hit the road for two years, and ultimately ended up in the wild of Alaska, where he starved to death in an abandoned bus that was his makeshift home for 112 days. He documented his travels with pictures and a journal. Excerpts from his journal appear in Krakauers book, but only a few of his photo’s have been released by his family, including this one, self taken in front of the bus he died in, before things went south for him.

You can read the full story here.     bus.jpg

Unbeknownst to me, this kid has become a cult hero of sorts, due to Krakauer’s bestselling book “Into The Wild,” and now the film by Penn will further add to his mythic status among young idealists. I’m not sure why I’m fascinated by this story, because the kid was a bit of an idiot, and at the end of the day, basically committed suicide, but I’m fascinated nonetheless.

The bus McCandless died in, originally put there as a shelter for hunters, has become a destination for like minded idealists, and surprisingly, remains virtually as he left it, with his belongings still inside after 15 years. I say surprisingly because hippie worshipers usually grotesquely deface the shrines of their heroes, ala Jim Morrison’s grave, but maybe the remote location makes it hard for any but the most zealous seekers to get to.

When McCandless failed to get out of the wild, due to an uncrossable river, (because of melting glaciers), he began to starve, and finally, realizing he was about to die, took one last picture of himself, rail thin, smiling, and holding a sign that read:

“I have had a happy life and thank the Lord. Goodbye and may God bless all.”

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Tragic. This picture is heartbreaking to me, and even though it’s his own fault, I feel sorry for this kid. I don’t find anything heroic about dying alone of starvation in an old bus deep in the Alaskan wild. On the other hand, I have some level of respect for people that take chances in life, and accept the consequences as McCandless clearly did. He wasn’t looking to be a hero, but the likes of Sean Penn are gonna try and turn this tragic story into something it wasn’t.

McCandless was a hard core lefty, and the fact he burned his social security card, and gave his life savings to charity and “dropped out” is what has fueled the interest in him, especially from Penn. From what I can tell, Krakauers book doesn’t necessarily glamorize McCandless, because it points out all the bad decisions McCandless made that eventually took his life. Penn on the other hand, is trying to make McCandless a hero to his core audience, the Looney Left, and environmentalist types, many of whom will undoubtedly set out on their own journeys trying to ape McCandless, and some will surely end badly. I’ve seen the trailer, (which I won’t post here) and Penn clearly glamorizes McCandless as a kind of modern day Kerouac, instead of the somewhat hapless dreamer that McCandless was.

Watching Penn during this one hour show, in which he and Krakauer re-trace McCandless’ Alaskan journey, it was obvious what an angry, miserable prick Sean Penn really is. At one point while they’re in a tiny town in Alaska, a girl who is having her Bachelorette party recognizes Penn, and asks for a picture. Penn responds by being totally put out, as if in this tiny little town in Alaska, he’s gonna be over run by fans. Which is laughable, because earlier in the show, he was carded trying to buy liquor. I feel sorry for Penn’s family, he must be a million laughs to be around.

As much as I don’t think McCandless was or should be any kind of hero, at least he had the balls a Sean Penn will never have. It’s easy to sit back on millions of dollars, and make a movie about a kid who willingly walked away from civilization to his own death, and act like he’s some kind of role model. I wonder if Penn would encourage his own kids to do it, because his movie is gonna encourage other people’s kids to go on a trip that some may not come back from. Will you take responsibilty for that Sean?

67 Responses to “Sean Penn & Alexander Supertramp”

  1. Enas Yorl Says:

    Very sad. I had never heard of this guy before, but I’m sure we’ll all know all about him by the time this movie comes out. You gotta wonder what kind of high octane lunacy he was fed in college that led him to decide to do this. I will admit though that I once had thoughts of “Going Walkabout” a la Mick Dundee. I was already “off the grid” so to speak and facing eviction from my little hole in the wall anyway, so it wasn’t that much further of a step to go. Common sense re-asserted itself quickly and I decided to get my act together instead. Fortunately that worked out pretty well.

  2. eddiebear Says:

    I guess all of us have a bit of the wanderlust and wish to escape the crappy world we live in. Ultimately, most of us just go on with our humdrum lives.

    Maybe that’s why I felt and still feel a bit of admiration for people like Evel Knievel, Steve Irwin and this guy (my cousin is one of these trust fund hippies, and she has bene to his bus. So I have heard of him). Yeah, in one respect, they were stupid. But you have to admire a guy willing to do stuff they really want.

    Oh, and I bet Sean Penn will totally ruin this story. Just a hunch.

  3. bmac Says:

    It’s something every guy has thought about doing, and I think that’s the appeal of the story. His act was political on a level, but unlike say, a Rachel Corrie, he wasn’t looking to get attention for any particular cause, it was his own personal journey, and I respect that.
    You can see the trailer for the film on Youtube, under “Into The Wild.” It may even be on DVD already, as Penn’s films tend to tank horribly. I’m still debating whether to see it or not.

  4. Steamboat McGoo Says:

    I read “Into the Wild” years ago (whenever it came out in hardback). Pretty wild tale.

    While I admire him for going out on his own, I recall thinking at the time I read the book that he was a typical liberal idiot - daydreaming of “living off the land” like it was easy or something, and (no-doubt dreaming of the “noble savage” image he cut - while neglecting to do his background data-gathering on the environment.

    He was not in Kansas, folks. The area he was in will kill - unmercifully - if you don’t know what you’re up against.

  5. bmac Says:

    I think I’ll check out the book, and yeah Mcgoo, he was definately a liberal dreamer in way over his head, in fact, he refused to carry maps, and there was a tram that would have easily gotten him over the river very nearby, which he would have known if he had one.
    Another intersting factoid:
    Alaskans hate him, and think he was an idiot. (he kinda was)
    Still, a great story.

  6. Steamboat McGoo Says:

    I recall the “torrential river” issue that (IIRC) forced him to go back to his li’l bus. And I recall that - almost from the begining of his stay there — his journal was almost totally on the subject of food, catching and eating.

    I’d say he was an idiot - USDA prime grade. Like all of science, natural selection works.

    Him and that Bear Guy that got eaten (along with his girlfriend) up there a few years ago. They were both doofii of the First Caliber.

    Heinlein wrote: “Stupidity is the only Crime Against Nature. The punishment is death, the sentence is automatic, and there is no appeal.”

    BTW: I do sympathize with him - and all people who die untimely. But my sympathy does not extend to his DNA - which was flawed.

  7. bmac Says:

    Great Heinlein quote. I guess in the end, it’s a great example of the unrealistic expectations of liberals. That kid could have lived, simply by having a map.
    For me, what buys my sympathy, is that it seems he had no regrets about the predicament he got himself into, and accepted his fate.
    I can respect that, even from an idiot.
    The problem is, the same unrealistic romantisim that drove this kid, will be passed on to another through Penn’s film. I haven’t seen it, but I doubt it will highlight all the dumb things McCandless did.

  8. Steamboat McGoo Says:

    I’m sympathetic - but I can’t help noticing in that last photo of him; he’s a teeth person! He coulda used those choppers as a signaling device.

    I wonder if they found his corpse by the gleam of his teeth! They may have spotted his teeth from space!

    (Actually, IIRC, he was found in his bus by some hikers - who found one of his “help!This is no joke!” notes he left here and there.)

    I will not be going to see this flick, simply because Sean “Buttboy” Penn is involved. Normally I don’t worry too much about what idiot movie people say about politics (or anything else), but SP managed to really get under my skin. Therefore: nothing he’s involved with will get a dollar of my money.

  9. bmac Says:

    Agreed, I probably will wait till this flick shows up on TV. Which should be about three weeks from now.

  10. Britt Reader Says:

    Bet you all vote Republican don’t you. You yanks are so split. Either ‘loony liberals’ or ‘gun-toting conservatives’. Get some bleeding balance for gawd’s sake.

  11. bmac Says:

    Yeah, things are goin’ great there in the U.K. huh Britt?
    Learn Arabic yet? You’re gonna need it.
    Oh, and do us a favor, take back your national treasure, Becks and Posh. Turns out we didn’t need em.

  12. Britt Reader Says:

    Yes, well - I agree that some of our ex-colonial cousins are becoming quite vociferous in this land, and I’m not keen on P&B myself either. My point is that in America you seem very polar in your political views. It’s a wonder you all manage to get along. The USA is still a place I would love to visit though, and as a 43yr old man Chris McCandless’ story gave me a feeling of being youthful again, now that middle age has cruelly claimed me.

  13. bmac Says:

    Fair enough Britt, I agree we are more polorized then ever, but you just named two sterotypes that are just that, stereotypes. There’s a lot of gray area between “loony liberal, and gun totin conservative.” Our media is to blame for showing only extremes, but I assure you, it’s not as black and white as you may think.

    I too would love to visit the U.K. and the rest of Europe, (particularly Italy.) One of these days…..

    Glad you liked the McCandless story.

  14. cranky Says:

    bmac, excellent post. I would read the book but I would not put a dime of my money towards anything involving Sean Penn. Unfortunately, both McCandless and the bear food couple (who caused the bear to be shot) were blindingly stupid people too. I would say that I respect McCandless for following his dream while giving up his wealth. Bear Guy gets no respect or sympathy, he caused the death of the bear that killed him by his very arrogant belief that he could become one of them. He did become one with the grizzlies. But it was as he was being digested.

    Your gun toting conservative redneck buddy,

    :P

    cranky

  15. bmac Says:

    Thanks my redneck friend!
    And just FYI, Penn gets no money for the book, just the movie.

  16. Cuffy Meigs Says:

    Did you see that Iconoclasts show with Mike Myers & Deepak Chopra? Pretty good if you’re into New Age shit (snark aside, I actually enjoyed it.) Neat concept for a show.

  17. bmac Says:

    It is a cool show Cuffy. I didn’t see the Mike Myers one, but I liked the Laird Hamilton/Eddie Vedder episode. As long as they keep politics out, it’s great.

  18. Wim G (B) Says:

    Whats the problem here… I think i should probably read the book someday, but who cares who gets the money for playing Alexander. Someone will anyway, do you really expect somebody like Alexander himself would take the role? Come on, i think Sean Penn did quiet a good job here.
    Lots of respect for McCandless.
    Greetings

  19. Wim G (B) Says:

    Ok, sean isnt the actor, lol. But still dont care anyway

  20. pajama momma Says:

    Is ^ that a relative of your bmac?

  21. pajama momma Says:

    your= yours

  22. bmac Says:

    That would be a no PJ.

  23. Virgil Says:

    There are plenty of people with minds like the supertramp. People
    who are between being a idiot and a genius.

    The guy probably wants to die anyway. He is adventurous, tries anything to test his ability and his body. But his mind is not sound.

    A guy with a sane mind would have prepared much for that Alaskan
    journey and survive.

  24. cinnamon Says:

    This child was amazing. Yes, he did die alone in the wild but, he was prepared to die in order to live. For all the critics, I am ashamed. People are so filled with hate I don’t think they look for the good or truth at all. This is a world who is taught to judge instead of inspire. I see Chris as a hero, he lived his life doing what he loved. He never settled for anything less. Bravery, he contained it. He had the money and the means to live the “American Dream” but that was not his dream. He lived his own.He lived his life. Maybe I just see myself in him. I am just a bit younger than he was when he passed. I have a college degree. In reference of a great poet,I am taking the road less traveled by, an that will make all the difference.

  25. pajama momma Says:

    Maybe I just see myself in him.

    What? In a casket feet under?

  26. cinnamon Says:

    No. Did you not just read what I said? Why do you bother on this site if your are just going to criticize? My fiancée is from Alaska and that is where we plan on moving when we get married. Of course when you are outdoorsy you have bravery, part of it is risking your life. He took a chance. He died happy. Let it be.

  27. bmac Says:

    Don’t mess with PJ Momma girl! Seriously, you don’t know who your messin’ with, and she’s got a crew (including me) that will make you cry.

    She was kidding, lighten up. You have to be able to take a joke around these parts.

    BTW, most Alaskans think McCandless was a moron. Just ask ‘em when you get there.

  28. cinnamon Says:

    Trust me I know. I mean it’s not exactly smart to go out into the bush with as little knowledge and gear as he had. You gotta get your stuff right if you want to survive. But the kid had guts. And thats my point. p.s. I can joke around :) I just say whats on my mind.

  29. bmac Says:

    Fair enough, just lookin’ out for my peeps.

    If you notice in the post and comments, I said I thought the kid had a lot more balls than Sean Penn, and that I admired him on a certain level. He did something many of us would like to do, he just did it in an incredibly reckless and ignorant way.

    Ultimately, it’s just a waste.

    But that’s why it’s such a great story, whether you love him or hate him.

  30. Colfax Says:

    You do an incredible disservice to Alexander Supertramp by labeling him as a “liberal.”

    As an editor of his school newspaper, he often wrote glowing reviews of the Reagan presidency for one. While he was a big fan of Nietzsche and Frost, many of his thoughts (at least the ones recorded) seem to indicate he was more in the vein of a Thomas Jefferson. Hardly what we’d call “liberal” in today’s day and age.

    It’s a shame that ending hunger is seen as a liberal notion and is derided as such.

  31. bmac Says:

    Well Colfax, I’m not his biographer, but when a guy eschews capitalism, burns his SSC, gives his life savings away, calls himself Alexander Supertramp, and cuts up his credit cards to go on some kind of soul searching journey, I certainly wouldn’t call him a conservative.

  32. blogoprofundo Says:

    I think the bummer here is that everyone is trying to draw political lessons from the guy. He wanted to go camping…for a really long time. I love camping, and the idea of being entirely self-sufficient has a certain appeal, especially in the US.

  33. lovelyleah Says:

    I’ve got to agree with Colfax about the idea of Chris being liberal. Bmac, I see what you mean when you say “a guy eschews capitalism, burns his SSC, gives his life savings away, calls himself Alexander Supertramp, and cuts up his credit cards to go on some kind of soul searching journey, I certainly wouldn’t call him a conservative.” However, I think that all of those things were in order to escape his family/past/etc…and not neccessarily to go against society. I could be wrong, but that’s how it felt to me. They weren’t ever intended to be a statement for anyone except for himself. Most liberals would have made a big to do about something like that. Also, in regards to the “bear food guy,” if you’ve watched the movie, you know for sure he was crazy. Anyway, I think the big difference between the two is that the bear guy wanted to draw attention to himself…that was his whole purpose. Chris just wanted to do his own thing which is probably why I like him and not the bear guy.

  34. bmac Says:

    Hey, I never said I didn’t admire the guy on some level, but “liberal” does not necessarily mean he’s gonna make a big deal out of….being a liberal. He may not be an “according to Hoyle” liberal, but he’s close enough.

    And yeah, bear guy was a moron.

    P.S. Responding to this comment just cost me half a dollar. See what I do for my readers?

  35. trivia-guy Says:

    He was sort of like a trapeze artist who felt the act just wouldn’t be the same if you did it with a net. The sad thing to me about this guy is that - from what you read about him - he appeared to have a lot of potential. We’ll never know what he could have achieved if he could have walked out in July. If only he’d taken a safety net - a map and a compass - for emergency only. :)

  36. what a great movie Says:

    the bear guy was a complete nut job. his voice alone was enough to tell you that.

    there is some great irony in the truth of this movie. he gave his 24,000$ to a non profit for famine related causes and then dies of starvation. that he went out into the wild only to realize that happiness is to be shared with others but by the time he comes to this realization, it was too late. there was a quote in the movie which he wrote between the lines of a book, i don’t recall but something of that nature. i spent 6 months living out of my car and i did make it to alaska. i was the same age as this guy was. i’m not really sure what i accomplished other than seeing that being alone is a sad existence. i wasn’t reading gogol or anything, i just was trying to figure life out. i still haven’t figured it out.

  37. alaskan Says:

    wow I am so glad all of u have done your homework on chris. its nice to see that before u start making ur own opions of him that u have done some research on him o wait i dont think any of u have. first of all its tragic that this had to happen to anyone. first off he starved to death because of alkaloids from the seeds of the wild potato plant his bood he had said nothing about the seeds beint toxic and up till this they have never been published as toxic because in the summer there not but in late winter alot of plants concentrate alkaloids to the seeds so that animals wont eat the seeds so depending on the time of year some edible plants do have posinous seeds and some of the signs of some types of alkaloid poisoning are depression emacitaion and nervousness especially when u are stressed so most people as i believe that he didnt mistake the plant for a toxic one but he was safely eating the roots of the plant for weeks the effects of swainsonine poisoning are chronic the aldaloid rarely kills but the body is preventend in turning what it eats into source of usable energy so if u would eat to much of the seed no matter how much food u eat after ur bound to starve now i know he was already in a starvation mode and thats one of the reasons it hit him so fast cause he was already weak but any way sorry to ramble on sometimes it upsets me to see people talk about chris this way i ahve spent some time in alaska and have been out to the bus and spent some time there well u can think what u want of him but hes touched more and affected more people then any of us ever will so next time thinnk twice about what u say about a person u know so little of

  38. bmac Says:

    I’d respect your opinion a lot more if you’d bothered to use a little thing called “Punctuation.”

    And it seems you also didn’t bother to really read the post or the comments, so you’re guilty of the same offense you accuse me of.

  39. Chris Says:

    I hitchiked across the US and Canada in 1970 and also lived on a commune in Vermont living off the land. Anyone attempting an adventure such as this or what McCandless did is well advised to learn at least adequate skills for survival. That is of course if you want to live to tell the tale yourself. McCandless is a study in what happens when your luck finally runs out. As long as he remained in civilization his mistakes had no serious consequences. Once on his own in the real wild, mistakes were no longer an option. As he wrote he was no longer ‘In the Wild but trapped by it.

  40. Happily Lost Says:

    I am a ‘johnny come lately” on this story. I saw the movie a week ago; a 2 AM insomnia induced viewing. I was, and still am to some degree, profoundly moved. I’m not sure why. And I can see by the countless websites, blogs, and op ed pieces on the internet that many people have also been profoundly moved. I think we should end the debate of whether he was an idiot or silent-prophet and ask the important question: Why such visceral reactions?
    There is something to be learned from Alex and Chris, but each of us will only discover what that is by going inward, to our own internal bus 142. Enjoy the journey!

  41. tam Says:

    i wish this guy would have been able to come back and tell his story himself. although i think if he had, the adventure would never have been as glamorized as it has been made out to be and would have been just a story he could tell his grandkids. we all have stories of adventure and life lessons, to bad stories from the living aren’t as inpirational as those who died during theirs. i admire the guy not for what he did but for who he was, himself.

  42. David Says:

    Wow. I would love to have the courage to drop everything and go out on my own like Chris did but I don’t think I will ever do it. Sadly it is true that the book and now the movie will encourage some other inexperienced people to head outside of societies safety net but some people think it is the quality of life and not the quantity. I do not think he was “stupid” at all as some have said to venture out. I think he was a young man that followed his own heart and mind. Now of course to some that is a perfect definition of “stupid”. None of us really know what life was like inside of Chris’ head so we don’t really know everything that drove him to feel the need to be alone. It is sad for him that he died alone and for his family who I am sure truely missed him and would be willing to change anything to have a second chance to be in his life. In the end I hope that Chris live as he wanted too and if so then I have no doubt that he accepted his death without remorse….

  43. Michael V Says:

    BMAC You’re my hero!

    Somehow you knew my feelings and words exactly as I would have like to have deployed them! I would have never seen this movie if it had not been for my wife renting it. Are you kidding me?, support Mr.Penn in any manner, no way, but I am happy to have seen the movie.

    What a tragic ending to a beautifully promising life! I told my wife while this kid was on the unbekownst suicide mission, I also had freely accepted my mission while in the US Army to protect and serve, in a crazy way, the ability of the Supertramps in the world to do as they please.

    I guess in summary, we choose are paths and we must accept the consequences.

    The movie to me showed he did and for that I am happy to live in this great country I once served proudly.

  44. bmac Says:

    Thanks Michael, and thank you for your service.

    When I wrote this post, I had no idea the interest in McCandless was so huge, and I too got sucked into this kids story, and subsequently got the book, and saw the movie. As much as I hate to put a dollar in Penns pocket, I do have to say he captured the book beautifully. Credit where credit is due.

    I’m going to do a follow up to this, easily my most viewed post in the one year history of this blog, on my thoughts since I’ve learned more about this kid, and his fascinating story.

  45. Marc Says:

    I’ve known the story of Chris for many years. I watched the movie last night and was blown away. It was a great movie of a great story. It could be seen both ways, either as heroic or tragic. Regardless of which point of view you see it there is no denying it as an inspirational story. He had his mind made up and no one was going to tell him any different. I wish I could come to close to deciding which direction I would like my life to go but haven’t gotten the kick in the ass yet to wake me up. Chris did and never looked back, just forward……..into the wild.

  46. Sheila Says:

    All this endless talk about the “potential” he had, what he “could’ve done”….might we think of it in the light that he perhaps CHOSE in what form he wanted to use this potential!? He didn’t WANT to contribute it to society, he had a mission. All this talk that we must use our full capacities, when what if that’s the very source of misery for so many brainwashed individuals! I don’t hear anyone on here speaking to the soul’s need and the all consuming power of something grander in many of us at any point during all these RATIONAL criticisms. Always there must be REASONING and LOGIC to simple truths. There must be a plausible reason why there’s a fine line between the “idiot and genius”, that I think frankly NONE of us are supposed to understand. I think if McCandless were to see all of this back and forth, he would be grieved by the amount of argument and separation that’s taking place to due moral placements. Just observe, learn and let be. (-from not a hippie, but an open mind!)

  47. Kevin Says:

    Wait, did you say you’ve read the book? Did you see this page? (123 of first Anchor Books edition)

    “More and more of the classes he took addressed such pressing social issues as racism and world hunger and inequities in the distribution of wealth. But despite his aversion to money and conspicuous consumption, Chris’s political leanings could not be described as liberal.

    “Indeed, he delighted in ridiculing the policies of the Democratic Party and was a vocal admirer of Ronald Reagan. At Emory he went so far as to co-found a College Republican Club. Chris’s seemingly anomalous political positions were perhaps best summed up by Thoreau’s declaration in ‘Civil Disobedience’: ‘I heartily accept the motto–”That government is best which governs least.”‘ Beyond that his views were not easily characterized.”

    An honest mistake, perhaps, because the man may meet some of your criteria of a “hard core lefty”. But you may find more peace in life if you concern yourself less with classifying people into these “left” and “right” camps. If you consider him on his own terms instead of worrying how his life fits into a political matrix, you may more easily come to terms with what attracts and repels you about this person.

  48. johan Says:

    I love that movie anyway .that guy was amazing ……. god bless him……

  49. David Says:

    I saw the movie, and am inspired to read the book. I believe there is a certain selfish naivete ingrained in this fellow. Blaming parents seems to be a common enough sport, but his very first act of “abandonment” comes with the donation of what is refered to as his life savings to Oxfam. Well, the “life savings” was actually a gift from a family member for his education. Had he earned it himself, I believe he would have been somewhat reluctant in his generosity. I feel it is representative of this fellows selfishness. You become a product of your enviroment, pushed to greater accomplishments and responsibility through struggle and adversity. To decide that I have a touch of the wanderlust and do not want to be a member of a society that I have judged and found guilty at the tender age of 21, instead of using the gifts that have been afforded me to change it, is self serving and catering to a naive agenda.

  50. bmac Says:

    That’s a really interesting take David, and one I don’t see too often. You’re right, he was clearly very selfish, and I suspect a bit spoiled.

    If you read the book, you’ll learn he was angry at his father for having another family, which Chris discovered purely by accident, and his adventures I think, were fueled by that anger.

  51. Emily Says:

    I watched it last night and I loved it. It doesn’t really matter whether he was naive, selfish and stupid ( although I’m sure his family wish everyday that he had not been so unprepared for the Alaskan wilderness) or whether he cuts a heroic figure. There is something about his story that fascinated and moved me even though all those competing judgments and assessments of him were going through my head.

    The idea of doing what he did terrifies me. It fascinates me that he sought such isolation however I can understand his desire to somehow ‘merge’ with nature and see what might come of it.

    I think my fascination is seeing someone pursue such a ‘romantic’ idea to the extreme and then to watch them live-and die- through the consequences of their actions. That sounds a bit cruel. I mean to say.. it seemed he was trying to find an essential meaning, truth and beauty to what it is to live and how best to approach life. But of course by the time he finds out it’s too late: classic tragedy.

    All of those people along his journey who seemed to need him but he couldn’t be pinned down by them and then when he needs human company and assistance he has gone too far from it.

    If he really was ’self serving’ and ‘naive’, as the last person wrote, he paid the ultimate price for it and had to accept this in his last days.

  52. Dana Says:

    I see a lot of talk about how ’stupid’ he was being. It’s so easy to judge others based on your standards. You can read about someone’s life or watch their lives play out in a hollywood movie, but that’s not the same as BEING that person at that time. It’s so easy to look back on history and say, ‘well, if he only did this’ and then judge him.

    Who cares if he was conservative or liberal? Who cares if he was selfish? You’re judging a dead man who can’t defend himself… one of the easiest fights to pick.

    Instead of pointing out whether he was a hero or just some stupid kid… (and I don’t care if the Alaskans hate him… it’s not like the Alaskans are flawless gods) just LEARN from his example. He seemed to live a very happy life in society even though he kept his belonging to a bare minimum. If anything, we should take his story to heart and understand that our happiness lies in loving our fellow man, not pointing our fingers at ‘the other side’ and ridiculing them to fuel our egos.

  53. Alex Says:

    I was just wondering which were the actions from sean penn that causes all the bad opinions that I red here. Just that.
    For give me for my english because I’am not used to speak or write in english

  54. Anonymous Says:

    Did you read the book? He wasn’t “a hard core Lefty”…actually he was a republican and started a republican group at college. If you are going to judge the man’s life…get the sh*t right before you blog about it…ha ha ha!

  55. yourmama Says:

    Did you read the book? He wasn’t crazy Lefty…actually he was a republican and started a republican group at college.

  56. yourmama Says:

    Since you have trouble reading I thought I would post it twice!

  57. bmac Says:

    You are fucking hilarious, “Yourmama” and you have such a funny handle!
    Do you even read the comments douchebag?

    This has been covered in this very thread, so pull your own fist out of your ass and calm down.

  58. StraightDs Says:

    I read the book and then watched the movie. I must have some sort of problem, for I hold a different opinion than most here.

    Perhaps it is that old “over-hyped” issue that happens when you hear from loads of people that something is going to be great, then upon experiencing it yourself, you find it somewhat lacking.

    I read the book shortly after it first came out and I was not “moved” at all. A guy pissed at his family decides to take off and hit the road. Hmmm. If he was 10 years younger he would have just been another teen runaway - but being that he did it after graduating college he is some sort of hero? Tragic? yes. Another Jack Kerouac? No.

    While the movie was well done (Penn is a pretty damn good director in my opinion, but Im one of those shifty “Lefty’s” so that is to be expected I guess), and I DID feel more emotion for the guy at the end I suppose, I am still left wondering “What was the point of it all?” I think his life would have had more meaning if he would have survived myself. Hell, maybe in a couple of years he would have changed his mind and then went into a whole new period of his life with its own rewards. But hey, he will never know the ups and downs of being a mature man nor an aged man and all the joys and experiences that would have come.

    Hell, if people are going to see him as some sort of role model, more power to you.
    For me, I would say with uninformed but statistical assuredness that there are a LOT of people living lives similar to his right this moment. Only their stories will never be glamorized on the pages of a book, nor glow larger than life on the silver screen.

  59. bmac Says:

    Excellent comment Straight D’s.

    I did a follow up on this post after seeing the movie and reading the book, and it’s in my “top posts” sidebar if you’re interested.

    I agree, Penn did a great job on the film, even though I hate him with the intensity of a thousand burning suns.

    I also agree that ultimately, it’s a total waste, but it somehow fascinates me. Obviously it fascinates a lot of people.

  60. StraightDs Says:

    Yeah, read your follow-up. Well written and well said. He definitely is a fascinating lad.

  61. tia Says:

    i fell in love with chris mccandless as soon as i saw the movie. i then decided to read the novel and wasnt able to put it down after i started. as a young idealist myself, i almost feel an impulse to do what he did. i admire him, although i would try to be a bit more prepared or at least take a map with me. i find critics of his behavior annoying and disrespectful due to the fact that most often people tend to steer away from things that mean alot to them because of society but chris actually stayed true to his beliefs. its really a tradgdy that mccandless died and i look up to him and admire him so much!!

  62. pajama momma Says:

    more prepared or at least take a map with me.

    A map would have been good, had he had one he could haves used it to float across that uncrossable river. Too bad he wasn’t as smart as you are.

  63. pajama momma Says:

    Ok, to be honest after actually having read his story just now, a map would have been good for other stuff too, like living.
    The guys whole story was very cool, the only thing that irritated me was his donating that money to charity. Sure that’s nice and all, but it was intended for his education and I’m sure his parents would have enjoyed putting that money to other uses had they been given the choice. He could have at least given him that option. I do admire the guy though. I know people like him who just get up and go, no plans, nothing.

    In fact I have a fisherman friend from Alaska who’s just like that, but he’d bring a map.

  64. pajama momma Says:

    but he doesn’t shower often and everytime he comes I make him go straight to the bathroom and have him give me all my laundry.

    I kid you not, one time I was doing my laundry and the stench made me start dry heaving, had I had any food in me, it would have been bad, course I was also pregnant at the time, but his clothes stunk man, ok? sheesh

  65. bmac Says:

    Does he come straight off the boat to your house?

    Cuz yeah, I’ve been on some fishing boats, and they reek man.

  66. pajama momma Says:

    It depends. When I first met him, we lived in Arizona. He’s a snowboarding buddy of PJdaddy. He travels all over the world doing odd jobs. ATM he’s working on a ship that’s docked in New Orleansy area somewhere and all that ship does is wait for the Iraq war to end so it can bring equipment home, but they keep it up and running and have people living on it year round. That’s weird to me.

    He stopped fishing in Alaska because he fell off the boat (in the summertime) but he said it freaked him out of that kind of fishing for a while. He just stinks cuz he’s a smelly hippy and even for a liberal I love him.

  67. withoutaname57 Says:

    There is a fine line seperating bravery and stupidity. However, it is perspective that proves the decisive factor on which is which.

    I love how people will go as far as recognizing the beautiful danger of the journey, how perilous the road to self discovery can be. But in the same breath criticize the man as not living up to his potential, attaching a label to his life and death. The story and the reasoning involve may suggest this type of behavior might be the very thing the man was trying to escape.

    Cast your stones and call him a hippie or liberal. Attach Sean Penn to his cause, and slander his them both. It still doesn’t change the fact that he (McCandless) made a choice and set a goal; to live and die on his own terms.

    Like it or not, in the back of a broke down bus Christopher McCandless found a measure of grace within himself that most people will put off finding in their entire lives.

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