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Smoking Bans (Again)

Posted by bmac on January 25, 2008

I’ve blogged about this quite a few times, and Ryan over at Pro-Patria blogs about this frequently. Sorry if you’ve heard all this before, but it’s a big issue with me, and not because I’m a smoker. This is important, and while it’s already too late to stop it, we should at least think about what we’ve gotten ourselves into with these bans.

I firmly believe these bans pass, not because people are concerned about second hand smoke, but because it’s their one chance to vote into law, a ban that will stick it to people they don’t like. It’s 100% personal. What other ballot questions really give you the chance to do that? To directly say fuck you, with your vote, to an entire group of people?

For the chance to do that, people are more than happy to give up a right or two in the process. In fact, I’d say they’re so consumed with hate, it never even dawns on them to consider for example, that we can have smoking, and non-smoking restaurants and bars. It never even occurs to them that having a choice is better than not having a choice, no matter how you feel about the choice in question. This also applies to the ban on Trans Fats. Because fat people are also easy targets. Two down. You think it’s gonna stop there?

Do you think for a minute, government hasn’t noticed how easy it was to get voters to happily vote away choices? California has taken the ball and run with it, imposing bans on smoking in apartments and condos, and even on the beach. Now they’re trying to get control of homeowners thermostats. (It was killed…..for now)

What if it was the opposite? What if every bar and restaurant had to allow smoking? How would you feel about that? Because there’s no difference.


I live in Las Vegas. Vegas has an unbelivable amount of bars. Not on the Strip, but local bars. There’s one on just about every corner. I’ve never been to a city with more bars, there must be several hundred, easy, in a relatively small valley. There are so many bars because they make thier money on gaming. If you can’t get a gaming license, don’t open a bar in Vegas. The drinks and food are loss leaders for the bars here.

I’m not talking about the big clubs or the casino’s, these are mostly locally owned and operated small businesses. In 06, a smoking ban appeared on the ballot, a smoking ban for bars that serve food, even if that food is a microwaved basket of fries. All the bars serve some kind of food. Of course the ban passed.

The result? Instead of fighting a costly legal battle, most of the bars closed the restaurant portion ot their establishment, as gamblers really like to smoke while they lose the rent money, which means a lot of people lost their jobs, and we now have more drunk drivers on the road, because people can’t chase that shot of tequila with a greasy cheeseburger, the way God intended.

Oh, and we lost one more choice.

9 Responses to “Smoking Bans (Again)”

  1. Enas Yorl said

    Speaking of smoking – the Monte Carlo is on fire. Looks pretty bad.

  2. bmac said

    “Speaking of smoking”
    That sooo shouldn’t make me laugh.
    I’m punchy today.

  3. Speaking as one who has allergy induced asthma, I still think the smoking bans are wrong. There’s a lot of places I cannot go to with my girlfriends and that’s a big bummer, but I’m so anti government intrusion that I am against smoking bans.

    I also don’t have a problem with golf courses making their clubs women only. I just don’t.I guess that’s the libertarian in me.

    I suck it up and I go someplace else.(although in states that still allow smoking, there’s hardly a place I can go) I will admit that I’m glad it’s not in restaurants anymore because it was getting to where I couldn’t enjoy an evening out to eat.In fact I can’t even go dancing anymore because there’s smoke in every single club. Damn, my life sucks. What the hell smokers?

  4. bmac said

    When there’s a choice between a smoking and a non smoking bar or club (not so much restaurants), the place that allows smoking will always be the more happening place, all the fun people will be at the smoking bar or club, every time.

    They tried to have a non-smoking casino here in Vegas.
    It lasted about 2 months.

    Are you in San Diego PJ? Or Florida? I’m surprised they still allow smoking in clubs in either one.

  5. all the fun people will be at the smoking bar or club, every time

    Are you calling me no fun? Put em up! Put em up. *sigh* I’m the only one in a group of five girlfriends that do stuff together who does not smoke.

    I’m not in San Diego anymore. I got spoiled there because of the no smoking thing and I’d forgotten it was banned, I just took it for granted. Then when I moved to Florida it was a whole new ballgame for me because you can smoke everywhere here.

  6. bmac said

    >>>Then when I moved to Florida it was a whole new ballgame for me because you can smoke everywhere here.

    I wonder why that is?
    Well, don’t worry, it’ll be banned soon enough.

  7. HAHAHAHA! I just think a business owner should be able to do whatever they want with their business.

  8. eddiebear said

    STL City and STL County are trying to ban smoking as well. They are starting with that “food” line you mentioned. Personally, I do like a smoke free meal, but I can’t fathom a night club going smoke free. That would just kill business.

  9. That would just kill business.

    Again, I’d like to stress for that record I’m against smoking bans, but it really doesn’t kill business if none of the clubs can have smoke.

    San Diego still has a hip hop happening night life because all the clubs are smoke free, not just some.

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